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Post by metisconnetis on Oct 6, 2017 6:57:38 GMT
I would say you to see the eternity's patreon and supporters but there isn't anymore. I still can't understand how the ONLY programmer that developed the most advanced tool for any Dragon Ball Z game modding had soooooooo few patreons. And, remember, he updated all his tools in just 2 or 3 days after each new DLC mod-breaking. But hey people now thinks it has the right to demand him advanced tutorials (you know, that isn't a BCS editing) or a replacer. Good luck with that. You should be grateful to him. And his tools still works with the 1.07, what's the problem sticking this version? You REALLY need the new DLC despite you have mods that have almost the same?.
If you want to see a very closed modding community look for "Budokai Tenkaichi" mods. There are things the modders know how to do and they didn't say nothing to win "likes", "subscribes", and stuff like that. Even they release isos heavyly modded blocked. For me that's a shame.
Anyway, I can't thank enough eternity for all his awesome work.
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Post by legendaryfatty on Oct 6, 2017 12:35:56 GMT
they aren't even almost the same. except for very few select minority of modders, the majority of mods pale in comparison to the real thing or look no where close to being official . No good version of future zamasu exists from modders, and the model looks like shit compared to the dimps official one. Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black also has a brand new moveset with a new voice and doesn't look like base goku black with just SSJ'ish hair . Merged Zamasu was okay...for that time it was released but even then it doesn't look anywhere near as good as the official developed version. Not many people even did Dabura, and the ones released are mediocre. Same with Buuhan.SSB Vegito even has a brand new moveset with new combos, which far beats reusing his regular version and giving him some texture and aura change. also take into account patch changes, balance changes and the fact that we still need sounds for the PC version of SSB Vegito and Future Zamasu.
We can thank him all we want, he deserves it, but this is the future. This is the now. The only thing is to hope he does a final version from the goodness of his heart(since this is likely the final "REAL" DLC until FighterZ comes out), or to take the word of the rest of the people who say that they've been working really close with him and hope it doesn't take too long before it's released.
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Post by 無限 on Oct 6, 2017 12:39:29 GMT
Rai sorry, i skimmed through the thread. also, this guy needs a good beating.
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Post by Javituchi on Oct 6, 2017 13:30:14 GMT
I just want to say, even though I haven't been much active in the modding scene for XV2 (but mostly came from the old forum and the old XV1 age), that I don't really see anything to worry about the future of the XenoVerse modding community. If one thing I learnt in the old days is that we all modders learnt to mod the game because we helped each other and shared all our tests and failures (which were really chaotic) in order to improve our (common) growing knowledge of how XV world works. We spent hundreds of hours to learn (again, by trial and failures) to understand the game files mechanics and how the scripts worked out, then be able to enjoy those mods for our gaming plays. Which are the true purpose of our work. To be able to enjoy them... Even if I didn't contributed much for XV2, I have good friends here who have helped me develop my own modding needs to create what I was looking for, when I was stuck in my proyects, and bring contents in a Dragon Ball game, that the true game creators theirselves didn't put it in, with their constant updates. For that, I really will be eternally thankful to each of the staff members and friend modders, and everyone who helped me to achieve and enjoy the game in a much pleasurable way of playing.
Nobody is perfect, specially when learning how to mod a game. But at least we worry to try to make a difference with what we try to add to the game, rather than sit and wait (and still waiting in some cases) until an official company decides to complete those holes in the DBZ universe... No offense, but imo, that, its much better motivation to try to keep this forum and stick together (specially in this hard days) rather than coming here demmanding and accusing of things without clearly seeing and understanding how this community truly works... But on the other side, I have to thank you for reasuring this belief by re-awakening our true motivations to continue doing what we do. Stick together and try to move on, wether with the same crew members, or new ones. But the legacy we built together, will keep on living (like Trunks said) for the future generations to enjoy what we created for them.
Will we be able to continue creating content for the game? (regardless how the (poor) attempts from Dimps to stop it are)... YES Will it be harder? YES (it always was and always will).
Succeed or not, at least we can say we tried... That's what I think its important to remember, and in my humble opinion, that is not a joke... but something to feel proud of.
Regards!~
PS: My apologies for my poor broken English if there are mistakes, and the little poetic touch I included in it, to try to drive the drama away.
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Post by Smithers on Oct 19, 2017 7:56:18 GMT
It's been several days, and a new mod still hasn't been posted on the xenoversemods.com website. Despite hearing from people that they are waiting for approval. It's really just another reason why I stand by my viewpoint. Other than Patreon, there aren't much other websites where people are able to show off their mods. And the admins have a hold of what mods they see fit posted or not. And it can take days..even weeks to get a mod approved(in theory). It's really not a good system, and because people eventually lose their interest in games, I can see that website eventually dieing off. Not just due to people being uninterested in showing off more mods, but because admins/moderators would be too disinterested to update it. Looking back at this thread, it's pretty amusing. You have the typical "he/she can do no wrong" type of individuals who constantly praise modders And then you have guys like Val who can't even contain that hot head of his without busting several blood vessels. And then you have people wishing beats on you. All over some stupid DB game. The faces of the modding community Make your own mods website then? The admins here don't own the internet. What is it you even want? Bandai are the ones trying to make modding hard with their stupid EAC. And there's no end to the two-bit con jobs who pump out garbage Patreon-exclusive mods at a startling rate instead of focusing on the quality of their mods. Complain to those people.
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Post by Val E Ryon on Oct 19, 2017 10:09:39 GMT
Lol. Was kinda obvious that the current situation would summon fatsy from his swamp. Also pretty hilarious imo that you seem to think that my ranting is related to rage. Shows once more that you're talking about stuff you have absolutely no idea of.
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Post by legendaryfatty on Oct 19, 2017 10:34:09 GMT
It's been several days, and a new mod still hasn't been posted on the xenoversemods.com website. Despite hearing from people that they are waiting for approval. It's really just another reason why I stand by my viewpoint. Other than Patreon, there aren't much other websites where people are able to show off their mods. And the admins have a hold of what mods they see fit posted or not. And it can take days..even weeks to get a mod approved(in theory). It's really not a good system, and because people eventually lose their interest in games, I can see that website eventually dieing off. Not just due to people being uninterested in showing off more mods, but because admins/moderators would be too disinterested to update it. Looking back at this thread, it's pretty amusing. You have the typical "he/she can do no wrong" type of individuals who constantly praise modders And then you have guys like Val who can't even contain that hot head of his without busting several blood vessels. And then you have people wishing beats on you. All over some stupid DB game. The faces of the modding community Make your own mods website then? The admins here don't own the internet. What is it you even want? Bandai are the ones trying to make modding hard with their stupid EAC. And there's no end to the two-bit con jobs who pump out garbage Patreon-exclusive mods at a startling rate instead of focusing on the quality of their mods. Complain to those people. They aren't making shit hard. It's literally just taking a file, and placing it in another folder. The only consequence is no online, but PVP for this version of the game is dead anyway. Seems like a fair trade off. Want to play online? Cool, but no mods of any sort. Want mods? Cool, but no online. If they were actively trying to destroy this community, they would have not only implemented this sooner with a stronger security system , but still go out of their way via updates. If anything I imagine they are testing the waters with this, so that when FighterZ comes out they could try to implement the same thing. The PC online community for PVP is basically dead. Mods for the game attract people from the platform to buy the PC version of the game. They've made no real hard effort to stop modding and unless you are more intelligent than developers and publishers, they have some idea of the modding community(basics anyway). You really think they actively want to destroy the minority here? Only reason I even deleted my post was because the website got updated with new mods.
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Post by Val E Ryon on Oct 19, 2017 11:09:37 GMT
For once you don't speak complete bullshit. Let's reward this with another exception and lay some common knowledge out in front of you.
The difficulty lies in the different branches of bandai namco. BandaiUS is the one that is supportive of what we do, but unfortunately they have absolutely no power over their products with the dragon ball brand. The ones in charge is BandaiJP. It's a cultural thing there apparently, but game modifications are seen as insults. Both BandaiJP and Dimps hate modding with a passion. Same with cheating (which is actually illegal in Japan. There are laws against it.) BandaiUS was terribly misinformed about the anti cheat update which lead to the miscommunication we experienced over the days leading up to the update.
I agree that this looks like Bandai is testing the waters. It's BandaiJP though. I have no doubt that they want to see if they can shut down modding for their future releases without it having an impact on their sales. Which they will eventually succeed in, I'm afraid.
Why is online gameplay important for us though? It might seem dead to you, but that's mostly because you don't seem like the type who has many friends. Or any. Modded online play is a private matter. We prepare mod lists we intent to use and then invite each other into private rooms where we fight it out. And I know that there were many who were doing this, my steamlist is full of people I only added for Xenoverse.
You might not care about online, but for many it's an integral part of the game. Online is simply not as fun without mods. So true, Bandai didn't make modding harder. Just less fun.
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Post by Smithers on Oct 19, 2017 11:52:08 GMT
Make your own mods website then? The admins here don't own the internet. What is it you even want? Bandai are the ones trying to make modding hard with their stupid EAC. And there's no end to the two-bit con jobs who pump out garbage Patreon-exclusive mods at a startling rate instead of focusing on the quality of their mods. Complain to those people. They aren't making shit hard. It's literally just taking a file, and placing it in another folder. The only consequence is no online, but PVP for this version of the game is dead anyway. Seems like a fair trade off. Want to play online? Cool, but no mods of any sort. Want mods? Cool, but no online. If they were actively trying to destroy this community, they would have not only implemented this sooner with a stronger security system , but still go out of their way via updates. If anything I imagine they are testing the waters with this, so that when FighterZ comes out they could try to implement the same thing. The PC online community for PVP is basically dead. Mods for the game attract people from the platform to buy the PC version of the game. They've made no real hard effort to stop modding and unless you are more intelligent than developers and publishers, they have some idea of the modding community(basics anyway). You really think they actively want to destroy the minority here? Only reason I even deleted my post was because the website got updated with new mods. *shrugs* Still doesn't explain what you even want. If you wanted the source code to Eternity's tools you should have made friends with him instead of starting an inflammatory post on this forum.
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Post by UchihaTaka on Nov 16, 2017 8:34:23 GMT
gotta love how much salt a new update brought into this comunity , I'll be just fine with continuing to mod version 1.7 , fuck dabura and buuhan , they're trash anyway
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Post by legendaryfatty on Nov 16, 2017 11:31:52 GMT
And Tapion and Android 13(inb4 they are "Crap" too). And an actual new mode(something modders haven't done). And possible fixes to the terrible glitches and problems introduced in a previous update(lingering shockwave attacks from perfect block and graphical glitches from attacks like Soul Punisher.) Not to mention that Fused Zamasu and SSB Vegito have LIMITED battle voices and that will only be fixed in an actual update!
Yeah..you be stuck with the broken old 1.7 version, while the newer update atleast brings up the possibility to fix these glitches. And with a new story DLC coming for DLC6, and the possibility of Jiren, Ultra Instinct Goku etc. Have modders done this? All Jiren's released are crap and reskins and the only good ultra instinct goku is from the pride troopers, and even that isn't "perfect".
People said the same thing before Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black, Zamasu, SSB Vegito, Merged Zamasu. Funny thing? Those character models and their new combos far outdo the user created mods prior to the update, and with new attacks and voices to boot. Vegito is more of a texture thing, but the fact that he has actual new combos makes him far better than any user created mod of him, from an overall standpoint. And i'm sure these same fools who said this, updated the game anyway. And yes, even Dimps Tapion is far better looking than Komodo's version and with an actual new ultimate.
A lot of modders have this entitled attitude where they can criticize other developers, but they can't be criticized as well and can be forgiven for shoddy work. As if doing things for free automatically disqualifies you from critic(it doesn't) Dimps does deserve criticism, especially for the bonehead decisions and updates made that have screwed the PC version but Modders are not these perfect specimens. They make mistakes as well and the standard of quality is much lower.
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Post by UchihaTaka on Nov 16, 2017 12:04:29 GMT
I wouldn't give a shit if the new dlcs are coming I'll just use my mods on offline and patch them manually , I'm not into online playing with xenoverse anyway
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Post by Rai on Nov 16, 2017 14:45:48 GMT
What part of "We have this sorted." don't you people understand? It's been said several times now.
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Post by Val E Ryon on Nov 21, 2017 18:14:19 GMT
On the modder and dev thing: definitely true. I have no idea where this "I'm better than dimps" attitude comes from (might start with "a-g"), but no sane modder thinks his content can truly compete with what the official developer can do. We can fix most of the bugs dimps leaves in the game though, community driven bugfixes might be a lot more thorough than the official ones. However, those fixes only make sense once the developer officially ceases support for their product, otherwise every game update holds the danger of rendering your hard work as a waste of time.
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Post by egovid on Nov 29, 2017 4:07:48 GMT
What part of "We have this sorted." don't you people understand? It's been said several times now. I've been working on something for quite some time to figure out a ton of stuff with skill .bac's through endless trial and error and was about to release something before the whole eternity jumping ship and dlc 5 thing made me think it was worthless to actually follow through and finish it, I'm not trying to be an ass but I've read a couple of these posts and still don't really know the status of things as it is? Are there people working on new tools, are eternity's tools being updated by someone else? If not, you said there were ways to add non-x2m non-replacer mods to the game still. Are there any resources on how to do that for say, new skills? The thing with x2m becoming so popular is that other methods of adding content if they existed are impossible for the average user to just kinda "find". Hell, most of the known, common modding stuff is kinda obscure to find when you first start. Not trying to stir up anything, just legitimately hard to find solid info on what's happening with the modding community. Would appreciate even a "x person is working on something but we don't know if it will pan out yet" rather than a pat on the head and a "don't worry about it everything's fine" if it has been legitimately addressed, A stickied thread might be a good idea to inform people looking for info rather than strewn-about posts in the forum. Would make it a lot easier on both parties as you wouldn't have to keep repeating yourself and users wouldn't have to try and dig around to find info. I'd also be fine with the modding community sticking around on 1.7.x, it wouldn't be the first time BY FAR that a modding community has ended up stuck on an older version of the game, the only problem with this is people either had to know in advance and shut off automatic updates on steam (unlikely, tbh) or pirate a 1.7.x version of the game solely for mods. Both options would cause the modding community to become even more distant from the regular games community than before. Same with manual installations of mods. The less accessible mods are, the less I think the average user will actually use them. I know of Olg's tools and xenolib, but is there any equivalent of the installer and skill tool being worked on? Would very much appreciate an answer regardless of what it is. After all, the bad news could only get as bad as "mods will be fractured onto 1.7.x and someone will port the new characters and skills regardless". Like I said the worst thing about that is the average user will have to torrent a 1.7.x version (unless i'm wrong and there is another way) just to be able to get into mods, which I feel like will severely gate the community. This post is a mess now that I'm done with it. Apologies in advance.
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Post by Val E Ryon on Nov 29, 2017 11:23:49 GMT
OFFICIAL STATE OF THE PATCHER SITUATION
Don't worry about it. Continue your mods. No, we're not giving you details at the moment. I understand that this is a pain, but it can't be helped for now. Please refrain from spreading rumors about the patcher being discontinued. They're rumors, nothing else! Personally, I am looking forward to the new DLC, although Bandai lost a lot of good will points with me. There's no reason to not be excited.
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Post by DynamiteKick01 on Dec 6, 2017 16:58:13 GMT
fatty, nobody wants to hear all the crying. They are working on a patcher. That's all you need to know.. and unless you can help you should stop harassing them over it.
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Post by Val E Ryon on Dec 6, 2017 17:03:05 GMT
He didn't do any crying or harrassing in a while now, or at least none that I can see. So I guess he did stop, please be nice.
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Post by mogolovania on Dec 9, 2017 15:00:37 GMT
Is this idiot reaaaaalllyyyy trying to make a point? or is he just trolling us? Sorry for revivng a dead topic, but i think he really was just trying to f**k with us behind the screen.
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Post by Val E Ryon on Dec 9, 2017 15:06:36 GMT
He = fatty? Either way, he acted almost like a decent human lately, so let's calm down and look forward to the patcher and star wars for now.
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